Over the weekend I received an envelope in the mail that seemed to be an invoice for one of my domains. When I opened it up I found a bill for $65.00 from a company called Web Listings Inc., offering domain name submission to 20 established search engines, up to eight keyword/phrase listings, and a quarterly search engine position and ranking reports for 1 year.
Web Listings Inc. states that they will submit your domain to 20 top search engines. Sorry to break it to you guys, there are only 3 top search engines! If you received one of these fake invoices, our advice is to just throw it in the trash, or if you have a fireplace, burn it! Web Listings Inc. uses dishonest tactics to try and catch unsuspecting people off guard. Their phony invoices are actually sign-up forms for a service that has absolutely no valid purpose for existing.
By John posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 2:00 AMAhh, yes, we to have recieved such an "invoice". They must make some good money out of this or they would not do it!! We have also recieved letters in the mail from "international business registers" requiring a couple of hundred dollars to keep our company registered. I guess when you play the numbers game you will always have a win somewhere. I just wish the law could do something about it!!
By susan posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 @ 11:37 AMI received the statement referenced in your warning. I did not submit for obvious reasons. I am however interested in linking my site to search engines to increase business. Do you know of a reputable company that can help me or can i do this myself?
By Andrea posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 @ 3:56 AMThe issue with domain names is that it stresses out many small business owners: they just fear if they do not pay, their website (and their business' online visibility) would disappear. You know, $65 for fulfilling your safety concerns... That doesn't seem much. So they pay...
By Brad Proctor posted on Sunday, March 21, 2010 @ 2:13 PMI've got these before, they are pretty shady. They make it look like a bill you have to pay and I bet a lot of people do without actually reading it to the print that says "THIS IS NOT A BILL"
@susan: No need, your site is already indexed by the big three. And submitting to any others is just a waste of time.
By Lisa posted on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 @ 9:58 PMI also received the same letter. When I didn't see a phone number and attempted to find one by googling, I saw this page!!! It's a damn shame - and yes, obviously they are making money.
I am so glad I saw this.
By Martijn posted on Sunday, April 11, 2010 @ 12:36 PMI have a friend in America who has received exactly the same letter. His strategy? Just throw the bill away and warn your clients about this letter
By Sherae posted on Saturday, May 1, 2010 @ 12:33 AMI just got the letter today and it freaked me out a little considering that I am still building my website and haven't even published it yet. If it were cold enough I would start a fire with it... BBQ anyone?
By Anil Mathew posted on Monday, May 3, 2010 @ 1:26 AMI received the referenced bill and figured out it is fishy. But I am interested in linking my sites to search engines. Do you know which companies provide this service?
By Mike posted on Monday, May 3, 2010 @ 7:57 PMMy website comes up on Yahoo, Google, and Bing searches how many more do I need Web Listings INC ?
By Signs Stockton, CA posted on Monday, May 3, 2010 @ 8:54 PMWow, we've had our site for years and just received one of these. I figured it was a scam when I saw the note at the bottom.
By kate hogeland posted on Tuesday, May 4, 2010 @ 12:08 AMI just got the same thing and realized it was a scam. I went on line to google and found this site. So glad you posted this for others to see!
By Scott posted on Friday, May 7, 2010 @ 12:56 AMI just got one of these too. Does anyone know - how do they find your mailing address? It's not on my site anywhere. I also have to wonder how they know what my site is - it's not really built yet, so I haven't told anyone about it, and I don't mention my full name on it.
By Shane posted on Saturday, May 8, 2010 @ 9:55 PMThe website that the letter is listed to James Madison one of our beloved presidents. The 800 number says thanks for calling and says to press 0 to talk to a rep. All it does is say invalid number try again, but 6 will let you leave a message. Oh and the regular number that is listed is the Niagra Aquarium.
By David Hoffman posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 @ 2:34 PMThis is an old Yellow Pages industry practice; they send what appears to be an invoice to "renew" your listing in their book - problem is, you never had a listing in their book. If you look into this company, my bet is it's run by old Yellow Pages people who need a new industry to slime.
The only search engines that matter - Google, Yahoo (for a few more months), Bing and Ask - will find a site if it's optimized. If it's not, submitting the site to them wont make a difference.
By Bubba Gump posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 @ 12:48 AMThat address is a UPS Store - where you can rent mailboxes.
The UPS Store - 2194
1623 Military Road
Niagara Falls, NY 14304-1745
By Caldude posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 @ 8:01 PMI receive one of those letters 3 days ago. The interesting part is the domain name they are referring to does not even have a website associated to it. I found it ridiculous and when they mentioned "Submission to 20 established search engines" I knew then it was some sort of scam.
By Mat Brooks posted on Monday, May 31, 2010 @ 7:07 PMMan, thanks for this posting, I almost fell for this as I would like my website to get more hits and not knowing any better this sounded pretty good. I'm glad that I looked into this further $65.00 puts alot of stuff in the pantry.
By Rene posted on Tuesday, June 1, 2010 @ 8:10 PMI just received a statement from this company for $65.00. Good luck!! be making a ton of money! They must preying on innocent individuals who don't know any better.
By Bobby Rhoades posted on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 @ 12:44 PMI just received the same letter from Web Listings Inc. Such dishonest tactics. Thank you for bringing this to everyone's attention.
By Joe posted on Wednesday, June 2, 2010 @ 10:57 PMI would think that with all the laws (CAN-SPAM ACT) for newsletters ONLINE, they'd protect the mail service, too. I wasn't going to do it anyway, because anyone can do it for free on their own.
By Bobo posted on Thursday, June 3, 2010 @ 3:08 PMMine arrived yesterday. My first reaction was that it was odd to receive a snail-mailed letter about a website -- which I closed months ago.
By David posted on Saturday, June 5, 2010 @ 8:32 PMThanks for the help. I got a bill today from these guys. I will burn it.
By Alma posted on Saturday, June 5, 2010 @ 11:40 PMOh my GOD! I received this "invoice" too!! I wanted to call them and ask what the heck this was about. So I decided to type in the address and look for their number. This ARTICLE was the FIRST THING that popped up.. Thank God I listened to myself on this one...
By Sai Thakor posted on Wednesday, June 9, 2010 @ 5:34 PMThis Is Bull. I Am Not Paying It Haha
By Morgan posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 @ 4:10 PMI work for a University and they attempted to solicit payment from us. They are a scam. Very glad for this original post.
By Mila posted on Sunday, June 13, 2010 @ 9:14 PMYes, I received one of these yesterday. This is a scurvy operation--thought I had to pay it until showing it to a friend. My guess is they do pretty well with this phony invoice. They ought to be jail. A pox on them!
By Cleever posted on Monday, June 21, 2010 @ 11:43 AMGot it last friday, immediatly rumple it and thrown it and when it was falling shoot it with a shotgun!
By redconfetti posted on Wednesday, August 18, 2010 @ 4:02 AMI just got one of these in the mail today myself. This is funny.
For those that don't know, you can submit your domain to search engines for free. For instance, here is the link for the Google page submission form: http://www.google.com/addurl/?continue=/addurl
The other search engines have one too if you look for it.
Really the best thing you can do is make sure your website has actual text on it that provides information which is useful enough that people decide to link to you. The more people that link to you, the higher the social value Google see's you provide (such as useful blog posts from a Wordpress blog)...whereas nonsense articles that aren't helpful don't get linked to by others.
By GLO posted on Thursday, August 19, 2010 @ 4:10 PMWell glad to see that this letter is still out there. I just got mine Today, August 17th.
Did anyone get a letter to a strange name and your own home address?
Just making sure -- one never knows.
Thank you for the Posts, so very helpfull
By RR posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 5:55 PMYah, I got mine today... August 30th! What a shame ... and I hope no one believes them and send any money... I feel sorry for those who end up losing their money. In my case they are asking me $85.00
By Joachim Loutangou posted on Monday, August 30, 2010 @ 8:43 PMThank God somebody made this fraud public. I received the same mail on August 25th 2010; I was about to send a signed check, but I wanted to chek if it was possible to do the payment online and I was stoned to discover this fraud alert. Thank you guys.
On my letter the amount have changed to $35.00 instead to $65.00 and the subscription said "submission to 10 established search engines up to eight keyword/..."
By lain posted on Sunday, September 5, 2010 @ 11:17 PMGot mine on August 16 for $85.00 for 20 search engines. This was for a domain that I have not even developed. I would not have minded an email, but this is sent as a bill for a service I never signed up for is pathetic!
I have no idea who this company is or how they got my information, and thank you for posting this scam!
By Jerry posted on Monday, September 13, 2010 @ 10:14 PMI just got one of these in the mail, and googled them looking for reviews. This site popped up instead. Thanks so much for saving me the money. Otherwise they would have potentially scammed me out of $65. And for me they were offering 20 search engines for that price.
By Linda White for Midway Community Church posted on Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 5:33 PMWe received this "invoice" also and just having established a new web site, paid this invoice. On July 26, 2010 I wrote a letter to this Web Listing, Inc., 1623 Military Road #926, Niagara Falls, NY 14304-1745 requesting a full refund of the $65. I also did an extensive web search to try to find a telephone number before I wrote my letter. I found 1-800-280-3897 and called it. An automated machine thanked me for calling and advised me that if I wanted to speak to a representative to press "0". When I did I was told it was no a valid selection. As of today, 9/20/2020 I have not received a response to my request for a refund.
By Matthew Gonzales posted on Saturday, October 9, 2010 @ 1:42 AMI received this as well. It clearly states that it is NOT a bill and that I am in no way obligated to pay any amount shown on the offer. It also states that it IS a solicitation. My website comes up on all search engines as well, so no need for the service. I do think it is a scam, but definitely not an invoice or bill. More like a quote for the service if paid for.
By Levi posted on Saturday, October 16, 2010 @ 6:36 PMGot this too, was a little confused at first, and then I saw it wasn't a bill, and then that they miss spelled quite a few words. Good to see its online to let people know.
By Wanda Violet posted on Monday, October 18, 2010 @ 12:51 PMThey are still fishing, for I received one today too!
By Lisa posted on Monday, October 18, 2010 @ 10:47 PMWe too received this "invoice" and it seemed strange to me. Thanks for such a great post!
By Dan posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2010 @ 1:04 AMGot mine in the mail. glad i googled web listings inc. i was ready to give them my money too. its such a small amount of money that it wouldnt have been a terrible loss. but im still glad im not wasting $65
By Amy posted on Monday, October 25, 2010 @ 1:52 AMI received one and new it was NOT an invoice because I don't use them. It even says "this is not a bill, this is a solicitation". You are only deceived if you deny yourself all the information provided.
By Larry posted on Thursday, October 28, 2010 @ 6:30 PMThanks for the heads up. I was suspicious since there was no phone number attached. I have to go now and feed my shredder! He's hungry for the Web Listings Inc. correspondence!
By jeff posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 @ 1:56 AMThanks for the post! I was going to take the offer, so I thought I would research how well they did their offered service. Well the proclaimed service does not exist, the money taking part they have down. Anyone in Niagra want to stop by that UPS store??
By b061253 posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 @ 9:46 PMI received this bill today myself. They are apparently retrieving mailing addresses from the registry. My brother received a similar solicitation from a different company implicitly luring him to unwittingly switch his web site host - defeated.
I've sent a "share" to Facebook. Thanks for confirmation of my suspicion.
By gpalabs1 posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 @ 10:43 AMIt clearly states that it is NOT a bill and that I am in no way obligated to pay any amount shown on the offer. It also states that it IS a solicitation. My website comes up on all search engines as well, so no need for the service.
By Tracy Arceo posted on Thursday, November 18, 2010 @ 8:01 PMThank you for posting this! I just received one of these dubious phony invoices myself. I am very glad I am the one who received the mail today and not my husband who most likely would have assumed this was an invoice and since it contains information that suggests that thi company received our information from our hosting service, he'd have assumed the host company was re-billing us and would have canceled my host account as a knee jerk reaction. I will be complaining to my web hosting service about giving out our information to such a fraudulent company to try and trick their good customers out of out money.
By Roger Zubarik posted on Saturday, November 27, 2010 @ 9:11 PMI received my letter today and mine was for $85.00. I called Go Daddy to see if they ever heard of these guys, and the response was negative. "Bad Boys" they are!!!! I like what they say! "Please send check, and do not send cash!" I called the UPS store and the young lady who answered said that was the company called "Web Listing Inc" was assigned to the box number #926. I asked for a phone number for "the company" and was told that they do not give out that information. Who the heck would send $85 to a UPS box in Niagara Falls, NY???
By Big C posted on Thursday, December 2, 2010 @ 8:28 PMI have one of those proposals, I received it on August 20 2010 . I was offered search engine listing at the annual subscribtion of $35.00 I did not pursue the offer, even though it sounds very tempting to a small business, I did not rush out to send any monies. I believe the internet works or can work in both directions, so slow down read the info and do the research...
By LISA posted on Saturday, December 11, 2010 @ 10:48 PMI received one recently and they have increased their price to $85.00!
By Ronald posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 @ 12:39 AMwhoo hoo i got mine today 85 bucks aint getting squat
By Joe posted on Thursday, December 23, 2010 @ 5:59 PMI just got one of these letters too. I already have my websites ranking on 1st page of google, yahoo and bing for very competitive terms like, Used Lexus, Pre Owned Lexus and User Lexus For Sale. I am the webmaster for lex4less and my boss called me in thinking this will help our SEO alot. I without googling it, knew it was a scam.
I will write an article about it on my blog and make sure no one falls prey to these scammers. Scammers will come up with any sort of scam to steal peoples hard earned money.
Also, beware of all these emails you get from people telling you that they can get you #1 on google for targeted keywords. 99% of those emails are scams. If they were good at SEO, the first thing they would have done, had they any knowledge of SEO, would be to get their own business on top of Google SERPS's.
By The Munch Machine posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 @ 7:49 PMGot mine today. Fraud Fraud Fraud... I love how their own website: http://web-listings.net/about.shtml is an 2 hour attempt to make something that looks legit. Notice how the centering of the page jumps left and right when clicking the menu buttons. Rookie mistakes (dreamweaver).
This company will be closed in a few months from now - when they have cashed their last checks.
If anybody wants to do something about this. Write a letter to Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc. and let them know that they are protecting a company who is essentially all about fraud:
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
Bellevue, WA 98007 US
By funnyface posted on Friday, December 24, 2010 @ 9:51 PMI sent them back a big picture of a middle finger with this caption:
THIS IS NOT A RUDE GESTURE. THIS IS MY MIDDLE FINGER. YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO BE OFFENDED UNLESS YOU INTERPRET THIS TO BE OFFENSIVE.
HAVE A NICE DAY! : )
...just like their stupid THIS IS NOT A BILL statement
By Orlando posted on Sunday, January 2, 2011 @ 4:28 AMYeah, I just received one of those bogus letters. I knew it had to be fraud when I saw the website. Very cheap looking. Always google a site and type in fraud behind it and check over the listings. Always worth a look. Bogus site, bogus address (UPS RentABox), and bogus company! I appreciate you guys for posting all this useful information. Whether you know it or not, you guys have saved a lot of people from headaches and hard times. Happy New Year! See you guys around the way.
By gbreehl posted on Wednesday, January 5, 2011 @ 2:21 AMYou got off lucky. They sent me a bill for $85.00
By Juanita posted on Saturday, January 8, 2011 @ 4:24 PMYes....I just got one too. I figured I better reasearch it....in this day and age there is no reason to get scammed. I think I'm going to send this to my local news to alert people locally! Thanks for the heads up!
By Pablo Ramos posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 @ 6:06 PMReference Number 25689168 by $85
I do not know what to do. The domain was made with yahoo.com To what company i have to pay?
By Michael Sang posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 @ 10:00 PMsoon after using INTUIT WEBSITE SUPPORT, i recived a letter in the mail from WEB LISTING SERVICES. they had all my information. Every thing that i gave INTUIT web listings had. Now how can that be. ??? are they the same ???? I paid WEB LISTINGS SERVICES $85 by check in a return envelope. For nothing i can't get a username or a password. found their phone number that went to nithing. the address went to a ups at 1623 Military Rd #926 Niagara Falls, NY the phone # 716-218-4441 is out of service. I would just like to know What part did INTUIT have in this???
By jim posted on Saturday, January 22, 2011 @ 5:53 PMi just recived an offer from web listings inc. 1-21-11. it does look like a bill, but clearly states at the bottom of the letter that it is not a bill,!! in less you except the offer. question: is this a scham or not?
By Sandy posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 12:27 AMI just got my letter today. So glad I found this site on the web. My bill was for $85.00 as well.
By Michele Heroux-Bynum posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 @ 8:55 PMYep! Gotta' hand it to them, but not your money! Notice they won't take anything but a CHECK? Easier to run with!
By Ed posted on Wednesday, February 2, 2011 @ 6:49 PMI got mine today. They upped the price to $85. 30% price increase for a no value "service". Since they write "this is not a bill" and "no obligation to pay" etc. it doesn't constitute fraud. It's still a scam and I'd like to see those people stopped doing this.
By Rick posted on Thursday, February 3, 2011 @ 5:11 PMSame here I went into a freak out for a bit, I almost got a panic attack. But I calmed my self down and Googled it. Hey Thanks for the post.
By Rachel posted on Thursday, February 3, 2011 @ 9:47 PMWe got a letter today from Web Listings Inc. We get upwards of 100+ similar letters each week from no-name companies gracious enough to help our site get better search engine results. This is the first time getting it from Web Listings Inc out of Niagara Falls, NY. While Web Listings Inc out of Niagara Falls, NY may be a different company name than we are used to seeing, they are offering the same, lame vapor service crap. Funny how they tell you to send a check "Do not send cash" to Web Listings Inc at 1623 Military Road #926, Niagara Falls, NY 14304-1745 because they want to make sure they have something that constitutes a "contract". Oh... love to know how Web Listings Inc is going to submit our domain name "with up to 8 keywords / phrases" to 20 different established search engines without accessing our code or creating some bull pass through page. Web Listings Inc... another joke of a company preying on the naive.
By Ann posted on Friday, February 4, 2011 @ 1:21 AMI also received the same kind of invoice, but the cost on mine was $85.00!
Glad I decided to check it out on line first.
Thanks for your warning.
By James posted on Tuesday, February 8, 2011 @ 1:00 AMI too received this fake invoice for $85.00 and decided to check it out online prior to mailing. Thank God you guys had posted this information. I plan on reporting them to the Texas Attorney General's Office promptly tomorrow morning.
By Gary posted on Tuesday, February 8, 2011 @ 6:27 PMI just got the same fraudulent mail from Website Listing Service. The neat thing is that when you search for them this blog comes up way ahead of their own web site. Of course their address is nothing but a box number at a UPS store. and of course their whois listing is private. Time to flush.
By Susan in Alaska posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011 @ 12:37 AMWow, everyone else got a deal - my bill is for $85, not $65 (Maybe they know that things are more expensive in Alaska?!) I reported them to the Better Business Bureau in New York and filed a mail fraud complaint with the Post Office.
I despise this kind of thievery. Disgusting people!
By Matt SF posted on Sunday, February 13, 2011 @ 6:25 PMJust received the same fake invoice for $85 via snail mail. Would love to know how these shady folks got my mailing address. Hopefully someone will throw the book at these shady characters.
By Lucy Graesser posted on Friday, February 25, 2011 @ 1:14 AMThanks a lot, people! I am glad, I searched information before I payed $85 to thiefs.
By J posted on Saturday, February 26, 2011 @ 2:33 AMYeah, I got mine today (Feb 25, 2011) and knowing how the SEO game works, I knew it was bogus. But, it's still funny that people are actually searching WHOIS databases for domain ownership.
And, yes, if you don't keep your domain private, anybody can get your WHOIS information (name, phone, address, apt #...basically what you signed up with to get said domain).
By Dre posted on Tuesday, March 1, 2011 @ 2:09 PMtotal scam. I received this letter every so often...I figured it was a scam.
By Ken Clark posted on Monday, March 7, 2011 @ 3:51 PMThanks for the heads up; I was very suspicious.
By Eugenia Reid posted on Wednesday, March 9, 2011 @ 1:07 PMTo whom may concern:
I never sign up with your company. You send me a bill, stated that I owe your company $65.00.
Please email me asap! eugeniareid(at)sbcglobal.net
By Jamie Kelly posted on Wednesday, March 9, 2011 @ 4:06 PMI just received the same "bill" from Web Listings, Inc. I looked on their website to find that they do not have a phone number and everything is done by email. I am rather disappointed in companies like this that take advantage of people. If something like this was sent to my Grandma she would have paid it and never thought twice about it. I am filing with the Better Business Bureau as well. Please let me know if there are any other place to file with in regards to their wrong behavior.
By peta posted on Thursday, March 17, 2011 @ 12:46 PMI sent a client a renewal for their domain names and website, the reply I got was that they had already paid it... to Website Listing Inc. Some people's stupidity is quite unbeleivable. I am really cross, as my client seems to think that I was trying to pull a fast one.. end result, I lost a client.
By Monica Campbell posted on Sunday, March 20, 2011 @ 1:21 PMI too received this yesterday. I was just telling my biz partner about it last night. We were going to look it over today. Thank you for all who have saved us the time LOL.
By Skunk Smell posted on Friday, April 1, 2011 @ 1:10 PMOh my gosh, I get letters like that all the time, except they are from a different company (but they say the same thing). The thing I always look for is the tiny sentence at the bottom that says "This is not a bill".
By Michael D posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 8:43 PMGuess what. I just got a PERSONAL MONEY ORDER from Web listing Inc for $65. The problem there in no name in PAY TO ORDER OF. I called the bank that issued the check and they say I have to go to one of their Banks....38 miles away. It will cost me $25 to cash a $65 check. But I got a refund. Might be a new scam.
By CamillE posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2011 @ 9:12 PMI just got the mentioned letter, read it... hated it so much that I had to help boost the SEO ratings for this comment thread. What a scam. Considering I'm on a no mail list I should be able to get these guys in trouble legally right?
By Luiz Morais posted on Monday, May 9, 2011 @ 11:43 PMDoes some body know if we can have legal action against that people? They theraten you, your bussiness and still looking for our money. One more to advise others who get this "invoice" in home or office. Thanks a lot. Luiz Morais.
By Brooke J Levis posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2011 @ 5:45 PMWell....It's 2011...I guess they are broke and trying for another round of attempting to fraud....folks throw this notice away--this is a scam!!
By Luke posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 2:42 PMReceived this same notice on May 11, 2011. It was for $65.00 and I live in KS.
I'm sick of scammers...
By Chris Thompson posted on Thursday, May 12, 2011 @ 4:36 PMI received this too. It even has my correct email site. I did not think my company was called Web Listings Inc, but then thought maybe my company sold to these people. Thanks for posting this fraud announcement, I might have paid it.
By Anna J posted on Friday, May 13, 2011 @ 1:40 PMI got the letter yesterday. Since all of my websites are through GoDaddy I knew this was a scam. Sadly I am sure many people fall for it.
By xtina posted on Sunday, May 15, 2011 @ 4:37 PMGot mine last week - I knew it was a scam right away. I plan to send them a letter that says "HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?" Scumbags. Just pray they don't have children.
By Scott posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2011 @ 4:25 AMGot one too...I assume they got my info from GoDaddy which also pisses me off.
By Dick B posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2011 @ 3:19 AMGot mine in the mail today. I looked everywhere for it to say "This is not a bill"
The letter I got does not state that anywhere! Because of that I will contact the District Attorneys Office in N.Y. and see if there is something one can do about these crooks.
May they fall into an outhouse while a horde of gypsies is approaching after eating prunes and drinking wine!
By Carla H posted on Thursday, May 19, 2011 @ 6:28 PMI got one too. If they do get our information from GoDaddy that makes me mad too!! Isn't this illegal and why haven't they been stopped by now? By the dates on these posts this has been going on for a long time.
By destiny posted on Friday, May 20, 2011 @ 11:47 PMI received a letter today as well and thought I had mistaking signed up for something. Thanks for posting this.
By Justin posted on Monday, May 23, 2011 @ 8:48 AMI got one for my PRIVATE domain which I have done nothing with. There is no way anyone got my name and address for this domain unless it was from one of the recent hacks.
By Almost Fooled posted on Friday, June 3, 2011 @ 5:41 PMShame on these guys, and hurray for us! I was about to write a check when "the voices" told me to look them up.
By jack b posted on Sunday, June 5, 2011 @ 6:22 PMWhen I got the letter a couple of weeks ago, I was suspicious since the fools addressed it to the former Catholic Bishop of Orlando and I'm not even Catholic. I wish these kinds of people could be sent to prison for a long time.
By Toniwllms posted on Sunday, June 5, 2011 @ 11:56 PMYes, I also received a "wanna be" official bill, from these desperate crooks at "Website Listing Service, at 1623 Military Rd #926, Niagara Falls, NY, 1404-1745." I believe that now is the time to notify our legal authorities, with our info, with hopes to stop these illegal attempts against good, hard working people! I'm disappointed based on these responses above, that there are many fraudulent letters mailed out through out the US. My question is how long has these letters been circulating around to people?
I'm however, happy that I and many people took the initiative to follow up, and knew where to go to investigate this matter! It's time to stop "Website Listing Service" with their fraudulent practices!
To all responsible for arranging this site thank you!
By Polywave Studios posted on Monday, June 6, 2011 @ 7:48 PMI received one of these today, it clearly says in bold letters that it is no a bill and I'm not obligated to pay. Don't think they are trying to make it look like an invoice, but it may be a scam. And to comment on that there are only 3 top search engines, you are wrong, there are several (Google, Bing, yahoo, ask, dog pile, AOL search, Lycos, Altavista, Alltheweb, and more). Most web hosting companies offer some kind of search engine submission, so you should look into that before going anywhere else to submit your url.
By Dom posted on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 @ 7:16 PMI received one of these "Bills" today. complete and total fraud. I post this to keep this page active.the more people post here, the higher up on google listings its going to be. HOPE this page shuts the scam down
By Carol Palmeri posted on Thursday, June 9, 2011 @ 2:42 PMI also received one of these bills. I am in the process of having the site designed. Lucky me - my web designer sent me something today and I mentioned the bill and that I wrote a check out for it. He immediately wrote me back and mentioned this scam. Thankful that I didn't mail the check out yet.
By my posted on Thursday, June 9, 2011 @ 4:59 PMThe flip side of the "invoice" is where they put their disclaimer. How the paper unfolds is clearly designed to fool the unsuspecting victims who may not flip the invoice over. Unfortunately, designed well enough so it's probably not a crime.
By Rahbinah posted on Thursday, June 9, 2011 @ 11:48 PMI received this "bill" about a month ago. I thought it was legit at first until I read the entire letter and saw where it said "this is not a bill. It is a solicitation". I changed my website provider to Weebly about six months ago and I did have to pay for my domain name, so I thought these fools were connected with Weebly at first. They are some evil, scum-sucking crooks! A plague on them!
By Dick Collier posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 1:05 AMOne of my clients that I wrote a website for got one of these yesterday in the mail. I assured them that it was a feeble attempt at a scam. The domain name (web site) owner and address is retrieved by a simple Internet domain name inquiry. I hope this jerk spent a fortune on postage.
By Dick Collier posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 1:25 AMIf you have a linux/unix computer connected to the Internet, do a "whois (your domain name)" and don't be upset to see your name and address and phone number listed for anyone to see folks. This is how these scams can take place. Remember, there are no secrets on the Internet if you know how it works.
By Email Marketing posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 6:04 PMWhen we opened up our P.O. Box this last week we found three statements all for different domains we own. Of course the statements are for domains that we did not pay a private listing for. The only advice we can give is to pay the extra money for private domain registration, this will prevent scammers like this from contacting you!
By Rap Music posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 6:08 PMIt's sad, but people fall for these types of direct mail scams all the time. Website Listings Inc wouldn't keep doing it if it didn't make them money right? I guess we can only hope that postage rates will rise so much they will no longer be able to operate this type of shady service!
By Sandi posted on Friday, June 10, 2011 @ 9:22 PMI received one fro 65.00 on yesterday and thought i should checkit out. Had I not reread it I would have thought I owed 65.00. Even so I do not want to be on there mailing list etc.
By frank posted on Saturday, June 11, 2011 @ 11:53 PMYes, got one these letters on friday guessed it was scam, but thank you for the up date will pass this news on!!!!
By j posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2011 @ 10:53 PMoh boy! I just got one of this on the mail. I obviuosly came to do the research and voila! i had a "hunch" that something wasn't right and I found my answer. I'm new to this website listing thing and been trying to learn how to tag words and all that. It's sad how there are people out there that try to scam just because they can. Glad I found this post! very grateful and thank you to all of you who took the time to "talk" about this people that pray on newbies. I do read all my bills carefully but it's very well designed to make you believe something is up with your site. Many thanks again.
By Jeremy Cohen posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 @ 12:45 AMWhat a sham of aletter! And look at this community of resistance. I love it. They even wrote "remit payment on or before" as if I owe them something.
By thomas hammill posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2011 @ 5:23 PMyup i have one of thouse too!!, $65.00 thats--1-2 out of perhaps millions two many people fell for there trick(( thank for this post,)) but not me ,guys the hammer down on you, hope the IRS , Get you,if not the millitary, hah 1623 military rd#926 ,<<whats that<< a porch,? car,auto,, niagara falls ny,sorry not falling fo it, thomas hammill ,syracuse ny,
By Herb posted on Friday, June 17, 2011 @ 2:41 PMwow - one of my clients JUST emailed me asking if "he should pay this invoice". Thank you so much for posting this and I am sharing the post via twitter and facebook.
By Fielding J. Hurst posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2011 @ 5:55 PMGot one of these this week. I can see a lot of folks paying these especially if they have a lot of domains with multiple companies.
By Jan Hvizdak posted on Saturday, June 25, 2011 @ 7:09 PMHaven't received anything similar yet, but it would be cool to know the ratio of ignored vs. paid! I think someone must be that stupid that in the end this activity is profitable, although dishonest.
If such a company hides somewhere abroad, then it's practically impossible to punish these and similar scammers.
By dorothy posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 @ 8:51 PMYes, very interesting. I got the same letter that is created to look like an invoice. I was rather surprised but I checked with my hosting server and found that I'm okay - this is not a bill. And they state that on the letter that it is just a solicitation. Very clever Marketing; but leaves one rather doubtful as to their honesty. And expensive. I'd rather they just advertise their services straight out, instead of making it look like something it is not.
By Billy posted on Thursday, July 7, 2011 @ 7:17 PMWow! Thank you for posting this I'm so glad I didn't waste the money! Frieken scammers if yur readin this you suck!!!
By Baldylocks posted on Thursday, July 21, 2011 @ 1:16 AMI sniffed "scam" immediately, but I thank you folks for verifying it. Any time I don't see an 800 number for a company "billing" me, there's gotta be something amiss.
By Bobby L. posted on Thursday, July 21, 2011 @ 2:36 PMWOW, my wife almost paid this bill but thought better and asked me about it. I said no and then googled and came upon your site. Thanks for being on top of it and I hope more people see this site and are not duped out of their hard earned money. I just started a small business and www.batterycomponent.com and appreciate not getting scammed.
By UBG posted on Thursday, July 21, 2011 @ 6:07 PMI red flagged it when I didn't see a website or a number I'm glad I read this post too.
By Donna A posted on Thursday, July 21, 2011 @ 6:27 PMI also received one of this fraudulent letters in the mail, after receiving numerous phone calls from various individuals and phone ID's identifying themselves as representatives of Website Listings. This continued for about 3-4 months even though I demanded they remove me from their calling list. I never supplied any info to this company and then "the invoice" arrived. They are persistent and are quite unethical!
By Sherman Chevalier posted on Thursday, July 21, 2011 @ 6:33 PMI think they used to be called "Liberty Names of America". That address looks so familiar. Used them for a server until they went bankrupt or whatever. Recall hearing LNOA used same method when domains were about to expire.
By Donald Prince posted on Friday, July 22, 2011 @ 12:03 AMReceived an invoice for $85.00 today. Thanks for the heads up
By willy posted on Friday, July 22, 2011 @ 8:22 PMgracias por este post me ha ayudado a darme cuenta que este tipo de facturas son una estafa ya que yo tambien recibi una por un monto de 65dolares gracias estoy seguro q ha ayudado a muchas personas con este incoveniente....gracias
By Kade Jones posted on Friday, July 22, 2011 @ 8:29 PMI'm calling the better business bureau. How do they get our adresses?
By Scott Alberts posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 @ 3:34 PMAbout as cheesy as it gets; you have to read thru to the bottom of the second page to find the "disclaimer" that it's not an invoice.
By John Ball posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 @ 3:04 PMI received the same bill. Smelled like a fraud as soon as I read it as I paid for the max time frame to Go Daddy. Wish the Feds would do something about these scammers.
By Rog posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 12:37 AMI've received their invoices on a few occasions. They must have people falling for this scam, or they would've quit by now.
Whoever was defrauded can report your complaints here: http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
By Galloway Grumblefield posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2011 @ 4:25 PMGot one just now. Knew it was a scam before I opened it.
I think I'll send an invoice back to them for $130, which is what I'm charging now to open junk mail.
By annoyed posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2011 @ 10:01 PMWHAT TO DO RIGHT NOW:
Call Shelley Carosella at 716.843.5838 (US Postal Inspector) and let her know that is happening. You can also email her at firstname.lastname@example.org
Post a negative review about the UPS store where this mailbox is rented http://maps.google.com/maps/place?q=1623+military+rd+niagara+falls+ny&cid=10423620023155994752 (http://goo.gl/PYn4E)
Call the UPS store at 716.298-4461 and tell them about the situation (ask as many questions as you want and waste their time on the phone). They already know about web listings and their scam and claim that the company is doing nothing wrong.
By Jeff posted on Thursday, July 28, 2011 @ 2:12 AMJust received one today. I found out if you set your domain to private registration, you'll not have this problem.
By steveneatsquiche posted on Friday, July 29, 2011 @ 4:32 PMI have already paid a website hosted service provider. Why would I want to pay someone else? It's like the monthly mortgage and credit card scam letters we receive monthly about reducing your debt. The letter itself says: " this is not a bill but an offer. I am reporting them to my website hosted service. Using the letter to pick up my dog's poop.
By Eric posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 @ 10:30 PMThank you very much for posting this. Not that I was going to pay this BS bill, but it was still nice to see this posted on Google so I knew for sure that it was a scam. These guys are definitely scum bags.
By billy bob posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 @ 11:34 PMGoing to send them a turd in a box and see if that is good enough to get me listed on 20 search engines
By Lisa Chambers posted on Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 12:42 AMGot one, too, but mine doesn't say anywhere that it is not a bill. Shame on Web Listings, Inc! Dishonest scam!
By Rachel posted on Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 5:13 PMI got a similar "bill" and I called my domain service provider and they said that the bill was not generated by themselves or any company that they work with. Also, I noticed after talking to them that it is not a bill but a solicitation and if you want the service then you have to pay the bill. They do a pretty good job of making it look like a bill, but when I googled it this was the first thing that came up. This company is not good at SEO if they can't keep this page from the second listing on google. Thanks for the original post, might have saved me $65!
By Harold posted on Friday, September 2, 2011 @ 4:17 AMI got my letter a month ago and paid it right away! Last night I found my website on the first page of Google!!! WOW!!!
Not really, I'm kidding you. What a SCAM! To answer a common question in this thread: to get ANY website owner's name, address, phone etc, just Google:
In His Majesty's Service,
By z.tom posted on Friday, September 9, 2011 @ 1:47 PMYeah, I get about three of those per year. The first time I got one I actually thought it was a bill haha.
By Janice Konstantinidis posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 @ 8:56 PMI received this letter today. I Googled it and came up with this site. Thanks to all who posted this. I am glad I trusted my instincts as well.
By mike posted on Wednesday, October 5, 2011 @ 2:25 PMI just got this last night 10/4/2011 & figured it was not totally on the up & up so I Googled the name "website listing service" & found that my instincts were correct
By Kouros Mohit posted on Friday, October 7, 2011 @ 6:52 PMI too received the fraudulent invoice. FBI should look into this.
By Gail posted on Saturday, October 8, 2011 @ 1:52 PMwhat do you know, I got a letter, name and address not correct, but a family member actually got it in their mail, and handed it to me, yes they've gotten so good at this they raised the price to 85.00 since this original post was started. The web domain they sited states "forbidden". Glad I found this blog
By Gary posted on Sunday, October 9, 2011 @ 9:48 PMI got the same "invoice" mailed from Niagra Falls, NY. Its bogus, DON'T FALL FOR IT.
By bjulius posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 @ 5:47 PMso pleased to see all these comments. I was just about to call GoDaddy who host my domains and websites and ask why I should pay $85.00. Now I know!! what a scam and it looks so official. Note there is no tel contact number
By Juan posted on Tuesday, November 15, 2011 @ 7:16 PMhahaha, I just got an invoice from Web Listings Inc, for $85. Be careful - lucky there are blogs like this to prevent people to be scammed.
By my sites already ranked posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 12:14 AMWhoever owns "Web Listings Inc" is a SNAKE!!! and a thief!!! Burn this letter!!!
By Stephen posted on Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 1:32 PMAdd me to the list. I figured out quickly it was a scam, but I was trying to find out if there's a way to get them in trouble for this. It's basically an invoice identical to any legitimate bill you would receive, with "This is not a bill" placed on the back of the invoice. It's obviously unethical, but is it illegal? I'd love to nail them with the USPS or FTC or my state's AG.
By Daniel K Martin posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 4:21 AMI do not believe the 'invoice' would be considered to be illegal. The document does not say invoice. I received one of these letters and did the same thing most of the people that commented here, did some research. We all have an obligation to understand the 'agreement'. If a person sends in the money in response to this correspondence they did not understand the agreement.
The law has something called a peppercorn rule. It stands for the idea that courts will not interfere with a contract on the basis that one party received very little value for their contribution. As long as a party receives something as valuable as a peppercorn then the agreement will be upheld.
I am a California lawyer however this post is not intended to be the practice of law, instead it is intended for educational purposes only.
By General Protection posted on Sunday, November 20, 2011 @ 9:46 PMJust got one too. They've been using that same UPS address for over a year and a half, and increased their "offer" to $85? Sounds like they're getting complacent to me. So, I just signed them up for everything from product catalogs to Scientology pamphlets to free samples of tampons-- at they very least, maybe they'll need to upgrade to a bigger box soon :)
By RevSandra Hunting posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 5:49 PMI also received the same notice I have not ever had a website so I am disregarding this notice if I receive another I will take it to the Attorney General.
By Alex posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 @ 5:05 AMMy email is full of SEO offers. But that's not the worst of it. There are all kinds of notices like this one. For example, I've gotten bills once I registered an LLC for a notice of formation. I would say that's twice as bad, as it's as though the department of state sold my information to charlatans.
By Kristen lucio posted on Sunday, December 18, 2011 @ 12:52 PMDoes this mean they have some of my credit card info or anything? Should I be concerned? Thanks for posting this site.
By Susan Howarth posted on Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 2:30 PMI use this company for three different websites and the results have been excellent. This is not a scam and if you take the time to read the invoice that is pictured above, you can clearly read the following in all caps:
THIS IS NOT A BILL. THIS IS A SOLICITATION. YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO PAY THE AMOUNT STATED ABOVE UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THIS OFFER.
I'm confused about what everyone thinks is so dishonest about this. What a crafty bunch - putting that language right above the box you fill in with the payment amount. Read people.....READ before you whip out your checkbooks.
By Seth Mariscal posted on Saturday, January 14, 2012 @ 4:57 AMJust got one of those! It seemed odd to me because I know who does my hosting and I know how much I pay so when I read the back and saw that I thought maybe it was an offer to take up my hosting. I googled the address and saw that it's a UPS store. That kind of confirmed what I already suspected but I decided to google it to see what would come up which is what led me here.
@Susan, while it is true that they placed that text, it's to avoid legal repercussions. At the end of the day it's all a numbers game. How many people will fall for it.
By David Markovich posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2012 @ 3:04 AMJust got this letter now. I am ready to pull some scam bait on them see were this turn out.
Thanks for the post.
By Niclas Wolf posted on Thursday, February 9, 2012 @ 12:21 AMToday I received a similar bill ($85) from this shady company. I can see the dates on the posts that lasted almost two years, what do the authorities. Hey, where are you ....
I must add that I have iPage as hosting companies. My site is not searchable yet, it is under construction.
By Mark Bohre posted on Thursday, February 9, 2012 @ 1:35 AMwhois info:
Domain name: web-listings.net
Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
Whois Agent (email@example.com)
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St - F1
Bellevue, WA 98007
Creation date: 24 Apr 2007 05:02:35
Expiration date: 24 Apr 2012 05:02:35
By Leslie posted on Thursday, February 9, 2012 @ 5:14 AMI just got one of these letters. Since I recently purchased the website named, but haven't done anything with it, I wondered how I could owe $85.00 for a search engine listing. At that point, I wasn't going to pay it anyway, since I knew my hosting and domain name purchase had already been taken care of.
Please, please, please don't give this company your money! They have done nothing to actually warrant receiving money from you besides looking up your domain name, which is free!!! As others have stated, the services they are claiming to provide can be done yourself with a small amount of research.
By AsumenStan posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2012 @ 3:50 AMI got mine today dated 10-Feb-12 for $85. The curious thing about the statement was the fact that there was no contact coordinates to enable me to ask what it was all about. Having not used the usps since email was invented, I google-searched the company and found your blog. I'm sure glad you came in amongst the top 3 of the google hits list. Good job. Kudos to you all.
By hair_hunter posted on Tuesday, March 6, 2012 @ 3:51 PMApparently there are other companies out there to that are trying to scam businesses by phone. I have received several calls from companies claiming to be able to put your business on the front page of google. They charge hundreds of dollars to do this. I have been contacted by SEOCAN and DATACLICK and both companies claim to be able to increase website rankings. Today I was called again by yet another company making these claims. The woman I talked to said I would be invoiced for $299. I told her I had not heard of their company and I was not aware of accepting any agreement. Beware of these phone scammers.
By Karen posted on Monday, March 26, 2012 @ 7:56 PMI just received an 'invoice' from Web Listings Inc. out of Niagara Falls. NY, wanting payment of $85.00. I'm glad I went on the internet to discover it is a sham; on the back it states it's not a bill. Sneaky! So they are still active.
By David Fleck posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 @ 7:59 PMI just received the same thing in the mail but now they have raised their scam to $85.00. I hope no one has fallen into this trap and if they did maybe they need to close their doors and just go to work for someone. I pulled their website up on 1 browser as I Googled them on another browser and I found this page. I thought it was strange because my whole business is on the internet and I get very little in my mailbox.
By Al Bundy posted on Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 6:40 PMI actually paid them by mistake, and when I called them to ask for a refund, the customer service person laughed at me and called me a "sucker."
By Lisa N. posted on Tuesday, April 3, 2012 @ 4:26 AMWOW! I just got this very same letter and didn't know what it was about! And when I kept searching and search for a phone number, I finally stumbled across this page!
Garrett Blanton, thank you very much for bringing this to my attention! I really, really appreciate it, because you just saved not only my day, but $85.00 too!
By Cpt Obvious posted on Monday, April 9, 2012 @ 9:32 PMI just got the same letter for my domain. In my letter, as in yours above, it clearly says in BOLD LETTERS: THIS IS NOT A BILL. THIS IS A SOLICITATION. I find it amusing yet sad how many idiots here are getting bent out of shape over a piece of junk mail.
By Deborah Woodley posted on Monday, April 9, 2012 @ 10:43 PMI had no intention to pay for a service I did not order, however, I looked up their information to confirm the fraudulent activity. People read everything, then research it. When you don't see a number to call from phony bills, always google the company. I wasn't surprised to find this on google. The trash it is....
By Dan G. posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2012 @ 12:12 AMJust happened to me, but a simple google search lead me here! Thank you all for saving my start up company $85!
they're apparently still trying to scam people, so I figured to post so others can see this is a current thing. stay safe, my friends
By ERICA HAMILTON posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 @ 10:33 PMThey just sent me this today too. I read the letter through and they did not even have a phone number which made me suspicious. A little Google search lead me here and found out it was a scam.
Thanks a lot for saving me $85 and giving out my personal information.
By Tony M. posted on Thursday, April 12, 2012 @ 1:18 AMWe used them to look up web domain availability. Presumably by doing a "whois" lookup they got our email address and physical address. Their email wanted me to get in on an "auction" for a domain I already owned! I ignored them.
Now I got one of these "bills" in the mail. I want to sprinkle a bit of flour in the paperwork and return it and give them the same scare they gave me, but the wife says just pitch it. I guess all I have is the BBB.
Thank you for this page, it was #1 in google search results
By FlaDude posted on Monday, April 16, 2012 @ 10:07 AMI received one April 15th. Nobody is stopping these bastards. It seems like it has been going on for years.
By MJ posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 @ 1:48 AMYA GOT ONE TOO ! I WONDER IF THIS IS ONE OF OBAMA'S "SHARE THE WEALTH PROGRAM 's" haha your search engine is right at top and a perfect warning on google. $85.00 invoice . thanks for the warning
By david Markovich posted on Wednesday, April 25, 2012 @ 2:55 PMGot a couple of these letters knew it was a scam. I tried to mess with them. I sent them an email "hey i got a bill in the mail from you do you guys accept paypal" they responded like this- "Hello David,
Please accept our apologies for the delayed response.
Thank you for your email.
You have received a new subscription offer for our services, not a bill.
Web Listings Inc. provides search engine ranking and submission services only.
We are not currently offering any other web services at this time."
One big scam!
By kwr posted on Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 2:22 PMI received one on 04/06/2012 for 85.00 and I almost paid it, put I look them up and saw your warning , Thank you so much for taking the time to post the this page...
By Hesham posted on Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 9:39 PMI received one as well today on 05/21/2012 for same amount 85.00 and I suspected it, so I search the web to find your post! Thanks!
By po bjj posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 @ 2:30 AMThank you everyone for posting as I was considering paying Web Listings Inc. $85.00.
By Jackie posted on Tuesday, May 29, 2012 @ 3:25 PMI received this statement and came on line to check them out. Thank you so much for the warning. I appreciate your efforts.
By ellie posted on Thursday, June 7, 2012 @ 11:43 PMI recently received this invoice and so glad i research this online. Appreciate you for the warning 8)
By Barbara Hollick posted on Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 1:34 PMThe bible warns us that there will be great deception in the end times. I too was fooled and paid the $85.00 fee thinking it was for our youth group. I was able to cancel the check and gladly pay the $20.00 stop payment fee. I am thankful that our trust is in the Lord who is watching, so the people who scam others are subject to a higher judge, repent and change your wicked ways, what good is it to gain the whole world (riches) and loose your soul to the devil.
By Chris posted on Sunday, June 17, 2012 @ 8:43 AMI can't believe how many people fall for this stuff. How may search engines do you use on a regular basis. I've seen these things say they submit to thousands of search engines and I've only used two in the last 10 years.
By Gary R. Pipta posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 @ 2:07 PMI appreciate the warning, and as usual, I scanned the document looking for a telephone number to call and inquire. No number, googled and brought me to this page. Thanks
By jamie posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 @ 9:16 PMGot one today they have upped it to $85. I knew it was scam! Cant believe how dumb they are, I hate scammers!
By Fran posted on Tuesday, June 19, 2012 @ 10:44 PMMy bill is for $85 and I just got it today. I certainly was not planning to pay it. Thanks for this blog.
By Joe posted on Wednesday, June 20, 2012 @ 3:44 PMWow! I can't believe this many people are writing about this scam. Just think of how many aren't writing. At first I was freaked out. I thought the letter came from my host server since the domain name of my site is far from up and running. Then I saw the small print on the back. A lot of people must have fallen for this, unfortunately.
By george posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 @ 7:14 PMThey had me at hello; momentarily. SUPER CLEVER SCAM. From Niagara Falls, perfect. These punters are good.. Scam of the year.
By Theresa posted on Thursday, June 21, 2012 @ 10:21 PMI just got one as well for 85.00 dollars this is not a bill but a solicitation. dah but people who do not know what this is and have money just send off the money. I just got mine today June 21, 2012
I was shocked that they sent me this. so immediately typed it in avg and got to this as well as the web listings inc site.
By russg posted on Friday, June 22, 2012 @ 3:34 PMHooray for Google, I almost paid $85 until I did a google search and saw it was a fake bill.
By Joshua Schulenberg posted on Friday, June 22, 2012 @ 5:54 PMHere is the guy that owns it:
WEB LISTINGS SEO, LLC
ATTN: CHRIS OUELLETTE
440 FAIR DR.
COSTA MESA, CALIFORNIA, 92626
By Evelyn Gardner posted on Friday, June 22, 2012 @ 8:54 PMWow.. I am with the guy above me and everyone else. I received one today and of course, thought "What is this???" Did the same google search and everyone knows the rest. Thank goodness I didn't send the a check... What crooks.
By Ed posted on Friday, June 22, 2012 @ 10:04 PMOoops. They almost got me. But not quite. Thanks you to this site. And to google.
By Michael Connelly posted on Saturday, June 23, 2012 @ 3:24 AMI got the same bill today and the irony is my partner is a world-class SEO muse ...
By pauly hart posted on Saturday, June 23, 2012 @ 3:39 PMi got my bill today for $85.00. i guess rates have gone up. i used whois.sc to find the owner of the site. but chris has who is protection. i looked up white pages and yes, chris does own that physical address as his business. google maps show it as hotties pizza
440 Fair Drive
Costa Mesa, CA 92626
so i called hotties pizza. no one answered. maybe someone who lives near newport beach can swing by and order a large hottie with everything on it and see how chris is. make sure you bring your subpoena with you. i will be happy to add my letter to any federal class action that may come up against him but cannot afford airfare.
By Rob posted on Saturday, June 23, 2012 @ 9:34 PMConfirmed it as a fraud here, just picked up my dogs $hit with it and put it in the return envelope.
By Andrea posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 @ 3:55 AMSo glad I decided to google this. Something seemed fishy about it after I let out sit on my table for a week. At first I thought it was a good idea. Then I read it a few more times
By JoAnn Corbett posted on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 @ 12:11 PMTHANK YOU THANK YOU. I was just about to pay it thinking it was my renewal for our web site. I thought I would check it out first and saw your post. Thank you!!!! Now the price has gone up. They are asking $85.00. Guess it must be inflation.
By Jiju Augustine posted on Friday, June 29, 2012 @ 2:36 PMI received the bill and wondered when I transfered my domain name to this company but when I read the whole thing it stated in the front page that " THIS IS NOT A BILL.THIS IS A SOLICITATION.YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO PAY THE AMOUNT STATED ABOVE UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THIS OFFER".
It is a scam but lot of people fell into this trap unfortunately.
By Damon Day & Associates posted on Friday, June 29, 2012 @ 11:25 PMI just got a letter today as well. Same as Pauly 85 bucks. So 2 years after you wrote this article, they are still at it. I did a web search on them with the intent of writing an article about this fraud they have going on and saw your site listed as number 2. Glad someone already beat me to it. Hopefully people will google the name before they pay it and find your site. Unfortunately, this mailing likely goes to a lot of office manager types who might not look very closely and just put this in the bills to be paid stack. What a scam.
By jcalderon posted on Monday, July 2, 2012 @ 2:56 AMI just got a letter from weblisting Inc, first thought was: I haven't had anything to do with this business so before I take action decided to check, first I found this blog, then I found the actual website www.web-listings.net... I see the blog started more than 2 years ago... Is there anyway to report these people?
By Kurt posted on Monday, July 9, 2012 @ 3:04 PMThank you starting this post and keeping it up. We got the bill/solicitation for $85 and were trying to figure out who we had signed up with until we found this website. There is a line on the invoice that states that it is a solicitation, not a bill but we did not see it until after we found you. Thanks again.
By mary gruben posted on Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 6:25 PMI too have a website and received the same letter as everyone else listed here and was billed for $85.00. I sent in a check on 6/28/12. I was able to stop payment on the check but still ended up costing $25.00 to stop payment.
By DMI posted on Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 9:00 PMI too have a web site and received an invoice from them. I emailed them to get their phone number.
Here it is, I hope everyone will call it to give them a little taste of their own medicine. Please call them several times a day.
Our number for your records is (888) 871-0669.
Web Listings Inc.
By nigel willis posted on Monday, July 23, 2012 @ 8:26 PMYes I just received this same invoice, funny thing it's addressed to skudmonkey (the name of my website) and say's they want $85.00..what a scam..lol
By c. brown posted on Thursday, August 9, 2012 @ 8:45 PMo.k. im blonde. I have so been scammed. I NEED HELP. my property was put on a web page and this listing was used. How do i get it off of web listings.
By Jenny Signor posted on Tuesday, August 21, 2012 @ 6:28 PMYep, got the bill. It was a few days after I created my site, it looked similar to my web designers bill so I paid $85 to keep my domain registered. A week later my paypal registered my monthly invoice for maintaining my site. I am severely pissed. And, of course, I have no recourse.
By Jenny Signor posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 @ 10:20 PMI posted here recently regarding this organization. They are issuing me a refund. This is what I had to do to get it.
1- emailed the same message 50 times to fill up their server, I dialed the 800 number on continuous redial for 1 day. BTW- Toll free assistance has no record of the number.
2- sent the following message:
"Actually, after several hours of online research, it became apparent that you are a scam. Nowhere on your documentation was it stated that this was a subscription offer. It stated that to keep my domain name I needed to pay the annual fee of $85. BTW- your accounts with twitter, facebook, linkedin, have all been flagged and reported. your phone number does not exist, I had the sheriff research it, and your place of operation is stated as operating simultaneously in 4 different locations in the east coast of the USA. I'm pissed. The thousands of people which have reported your organization and have even setup counseling help groups for dealing with your organization are pissed. I want a refund or phone number to a real person, not a machine. (Because 1-800-555-1212 has no record of your organization either). If you even contemplate trying to access my bank account, I will throw you against the wall so hard your grandchildren will end up doing time. And, this message is being CCed to every organization that you are a "member" of. I want my refund. Now."
I CC'd this message to the BOE of every state in the union. Most bounced back, but it apparently got their attention because this morning I got this message.
"You will receive your refund within approximately 4 to 6 weeks time."
Feel free to email me if you want help. My nickname in collections was "the bulldog".
By Tiphanie posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 @ 4:53 PMI work for a company that received this letter today and I was so glad to see this. I noticed it did not have a phone number or address to be contacted by. I knew this was a fraud from the minute I saw it.
By Tim posted on Thursday, September 13, 2012 @ 8:17 PMThis is obviously a scam but that is not the part that concerns me. They got my home address and it wasn't through WHOIS because I just moved to a different state and there's no way they would have known that. The address on my WHOIS is still my old address. So there are obviously some very shady practices going on here.
By Ruth posted on Friday, September 14, 2012 @ 12:58 AMAm I ever glad I found this! Just received letter today addressed to strange company at my home address.
By Lulu posted on Friday, September 14, 2012 @ 8:08 PMI got one of these today. In the trash by now.
By John Lofquist posted on Saturday, September 15, 2012 @ 12:25 AMWhat an outrageous fraud. I've turned my letter over to the FL. State's Attorny and am sending a copy to the NY State's attorney.
By Lulu posted on Saturday, September 15, 2012 @ 1:18 AMI got one of these today. Thank you for posting about it. Since both and my husband have domains I didn't know if he had contracted their services. Can't we report them to someone?
By GS posted on Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 1:06 AMYou're all being scammed in more way than one; this is actually a debt collection agency trying to play you into giving out your information.
By Darrel G Dunson posted on Saturday, October 6, 2012 @ 11:11 AMI was temporarily elated, thought because my bill was for $85.00 instead of the $65.00 that Mine was worth more than others. lol We need laws and some decent enforcement to put the pinch on these scammers. State representative lives nearby, gonna give him some suggestions. Folks, these people are elected, meaning that if they get enough pressure from voters this problem increases on their priority list. Once a state starts to move on a problem you can rest assured that others will soon follow until there will be no place tor the scammers to hide. Get busy my friends!
By Dave Foertsch posted on Monday, October 8, 2012 @ 11:12 PMHi Garrett, I referenced this blog in a similar post on my site. I had received one of these mailings for a recently registered domain. I passed it along to the Better Business Bureau of Maryland, their VP of Communications is a acquaintance. Not sure there is much else we can do, chances are they're operating within the letter of the law (regardless of the many ways they're breaking the spirit of the law).
By Gary B posted on Tuesday, February 5, 2013 @ 8:58 PMWhen I saw the posts for $65 I was insulted that they thought I was dumber as mine was for $85 :).
By chris posted on Wednesday, February 6, 2013 @ 10:22 PMThank you for this post, saved me $85. Questioning it, looked up and this post is first!
I thank GOD for that and love all the positive responses for this fraud, it will come back to them :-)
By Naoko posted on Thursday, February 7, 2013 @ 1:28 AMI just received it today. Mine was $85. I have never used this company before.
By Anon posted on Friday, February 8, 2013 @ 7:08 PMI successfully registered their own site LOL!!!
By John posted on Friday, February 8, 2013 @ 10:35 PMI just received a letter just like this with an $85 "bill." I imagine the way to avoid getting these in the future would be to pay extra when you set up a domain to get private registration. I always thought that sounded like a scam, but if it protects you from getting other scam offers, maybe it's worth it.
By Sandie posted on Monday, February 11, 2013 @ 11:02 AMThank you for the post I'm glad I did not send my hard earned money.
By Daniel posted on Monday, March 18, 2013 @ 8:58 PMI have similar experience and it's relating to an email being sent to inform me someone is registering my domain in China and that I should immediately register those domains as I am the rightful brand owner. Suffice to say there's no such people trying to register any domain, just that they want to drive business by making me register.
By Brian posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2013 @ 1:47 PMReceived the same letter and intend to contact BBB about:
1623 Military Rd #926
Niagara Falls, MY 14304-1745
By Sara posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 @ 2:13 PMI received one of these invoices in the mail today too. My first clue was that there is no phone number to contact anyone and the second... my service doesn't "start" until a month from now. I remember a man calling me when I first purchased my domain and I he wanted to do something like this and I argued with him that I was already in the first 5 on the two main search engines. Scammers. I'll just file in the file 13! :)
By jakomos posted on Wednesday, April 3, 2013 @ 4:14 PMapril 3rd. got mine today, web services inc "invoicing" me an "offer" for $85.
By Alex Khan posted on Wednesday, April 3, 2013 @ 9:24 PMThank you so much for your heads for others, I own my own website three months a go to its still under constriction, today around 5:00 p.m. my land lady drop a mail for me, which is very strange for me because I do not use my home address for any mail, however I opened and found an invoice for asking to pay $ 85.00 From May 10,2013 to May 10, 2014 try to search online to get there phone number to stress out my anger could not find anything. What a rubbish stupid people on the planet to rip off others.
By Alex Khan posted on Wednesday, April 3, 2013 @ 9:35 PMOkay I have found this company's phone number they have using UPS store address which is located Niagara falls NY , I ask UPS store guy he gave there phone number 1888-871-0669 Good luck guys
By Jimmy Here posted on Friday, April 5, 2013 @ 2:05 PMHere is some more contact info
4. Point of Contact for Commission Inquiries
a. Contact Name: Chris Ouellette
b. Contact Phone Number: 949-873-1077
c. Contact Email Address: firstname.lastname@example.org
By J Sk posted on Friday, April 5, 2013 @ 7:56 PMI too just received this in the mail today. Had me scratching my head a second in confusion but I knew it was fake right away!! Immediately jumped on Google and found this site. Thank you for sharing all your info everyone. This thing is going straight to the garbage!! And I will pass the info along to anyone I know to do the same. :)
By j posted on Sunday, April 7, 2013 @ 3:43 PMWOW! I just received this bogus mail in my PO Box yesterday. I knew it was a scam. At first, I received an email from them about this service last week. I ignored it and was going to question my hosting about it later, but after opening the mail today and doing a search online to see if I can get any info on "Website Listing Service"; there it is, in plain sight... I thank you JVF for spreading the word about this fraud that's going on for years. They want me to pay an annual listing for $85.00 ;-} LOL Crazy!
THANK YOU AGAIN JVF
By Steve posted on Monday, April 8, 2013 @ 3:38 AMJust got this in the mail today. Maybe I should pay for private registration after all...
By KM posted on Monday, April 8, 2013 @ 11:31 PMYep, I just received this same exact thing for $85. Emailed them today from their shady website. Thankfully I saw this thread with a PICTURE for me to match to mine. Would love to get ahold of the people who think that this is a way to live. Thanks everybody.
By Red Rocket Web Works posted on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 @ 2:33 PMI have received a few of these recently. I can see how people can fall for this scam. People will do anything for a quick buck I guess.
By JAMES HALE posted on Tuesday, April 9, 2013 @ 6:24 PMI got one of these letters too. And it was for the above website, that has been closed and my account cancelled with the web hosting company for several months now. I won't do anything about this because it is just too easy to shred the letter and be done with it. I'm certainly not going to spend any time or money that I cannot afford either of on this issue.
By Brian posted on Wednesday, April 10, 2013 @ 9:50 PMthanks for posting this. got the invoice and was going to send off a check thinking it was for something else. googled the name and saw your site pop up. You saved me some money. thanks again
By Erica posted on Sunday, April 14, 2013 @ 12:36 AMI received this letter today......at my parents address where I haven't lived in 13 years with my maiden name which I haven't gone by in 12 years for a site I have never heard of!!! Getting pretty desperate aren't they?!
By Laura posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 3:04 PMJust received an invoice for 85.00 - do these folks think people w/business sense will buy into this scheme. What a joke.
By Hayley posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 9:19 PMJust got this in the mail today. So glad I did my research first. How are they still getting away with this?
By Jim posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 @ 4:15 PMI too received the same letter. Thinking it was a scam I search the web and found these posts. Thanks! The internet is a great tool for finding scams like this.
By Leasa Richardson posted on Monday, June 3, 2013 @ 5:51 AMAlmost paid $85.00 when this invoice came. Thought it was an " add on" charge for something...it's my husband's website and didn't know he was already paid in full! I actually had the check made out but decided to confirm the charge with my husband before I mailed it. So glad I did!!! When I googled them I saw this!!! Thank you so much for putting this out there!! I let them know that I was extremely pissed about this fraud and sent them a note to that effect! :) It wasn't nice! This scam needs to come to an end!!!
By Jen K posted on Monday, June 3, 2013 @ 8:39 PMyup, I just got one of these, too... what a crock.
Thank you so much for posting this!
By Aaron B posted on Tuesday, June 4, 2013 @ 8:38 PMI just got this in the mail too today. The domain is my wifes I pay it for her and was shocked to see this. Glad I looked this up and came across this post. What a crock. I am mailing this back tomorrow with a nice little message. HEHEHEHE
By Kenealy Hawke posted on Friday, June 7, 2013 @ 6:13 PMI got one of these too and was looking for a phone number to ask "Why this?" when I came across this posting. They must be doing well as they haven't stopped in 3 years...they will reap what they sow....thanks a lot!
By Rod S. posted on Thursday, July 4, 2013 @ 12:54 AMI got their letter on 24 June 2013 asking for $85. They are still up and running from the same UPS store box 926 in Niagra Falls, NY. and apparently the NY Attorney General can't shut them down. I sent the $85 in the mail, but then, two days later when I talked to the person who created my website, he told me it was a scam and then I came here and started reading all the comments. I did a check hold and fortunately my bank didn't charge me for it. It's too bad these scammers are allowed to flourish in the open like this.
By Carrie posted on Tuesday, July 30, 2013 @ 1:32 PMI received my invoice yesterday. This is the 2nd scam in a week. The other one was from someone pretending to be AT&T. The interesting issue about this invoice is that's it's missing a website. I have a budget so I Know I didn't request this. people will do anything for money.
By Concerned website owner posted on Thursday, August 1, 2013 @ 12:00 AMFile a business complaint with the BBB in Niagra Falls, NY and file a complaint with the U.S. Postal Service and your state attorney general's office. Just a suggestion.
By Julie posted on Friday, August 2, 2013 @ 2:33 PMThanks...got mine yesterday. Mine states it's "not a bill" but admits it's a solicitation. When I tried to get to their website, I get a "Forbidden" message so, guess they're shut down?!
By Jason posted on Tuesday, August 6, 2013 @ 10:21 PMProbably a good idea to report the mail to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service at:
By Antje posted on Thursday, August 8, 2013 @ 9:03 PMShame on the shammers!
My client gave me an envelope with the same letter as you have pictured, only they want $85. What is frustrating is the misrepresentation, offering "free" listing which most people know by now usually means limited time free trial for 30 days. For something like search engines, you need months before you can judge what directories are helping.
Anyway, thank you for posting this, some of us are trying to conduct legitimate online business offering a good product or service and gaining trust from clients the old fashioned way - WE EARN IT!
By usadsam posted on Friday, August 16, 2013 @ 9:38 PMI just actually looked at the envelope. finally catching up on my mail. They wanted $85.00. I decided to go to their website and do a little research, glad I found this page. I have several web pages (.com, .net, .org) and such all directed to one page. They have the paper with my .net page., I don't even use that page very very funny!!!!!
Thanks for all the information on this page!
By PETER posted on Monday, September 23, 2013 @ 7:16 PMI JUST GOT THIS BILL AND IM WONDERED HOW COME AFTER 2 YEARS THEY HAVE NOT BEEN COUGHT YET?
By Jeremy posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 @ 8:56 PMthank you for writing this page. i received the Web Listings Inc letter today. oh... and now they charge $85. it's awesome that we all are looking out for each other.
By Aaron Van Noy posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 @ 6:49 PMI just received the exact same letter today! My SEO is top notch and I was going to toss it anyway. But I also had a funny feeling this was a scam as well. SOW NUFF. True SCAM!
By Aaron Van Noy posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 @ 7:01 PMI did a whois on web-listings.net, found there domain name registrar (eNom) and submitted an "abuse" to this site.
Lets hope eNom takes action.
By ML posted on Friday, September 27, 2013 @ 1:15 AMThanks so much for writing about this! I did a quick google search and this helpful post popped up first! I figured it was a scam. I appreciate you doing the research for me :)
By Jim Reed posted on Friday, September 27, 2013 @ 6:49 PMThank you for putting up this website.
At first I was insulted at the $85 amount after reading the original $65 amount. I figured they thought I was 30% dumber than the first one. So I was glad to see it was just inflation, and a general belief in my stupidity. Not an assumption that I was 30% more stupid than average.
Great site - Keep up the good work.
By Eddy Jay posted on Monday, September 30, 2013 @ 12:54 AMWow I'm so glad I found this blog site....I received my letter two weeks ago and they said I owed 85 dollars. My dad was on my back about paying them but I just knew something wasn't right about it. I'm glad I found this site. They not getting a penny out of me! Spread the word!
By sash posted on Tuesday, October 1, 2013 @ 5:40 AMI got this letter today and I freaked out as well. Weblisting inc wanted me to send them $85 hard earned money. What a SCAM? i googled it right away and first thing came up is this post. I feel bad for people who send them check thinking they will be in trouble if they don't. Govt should do something about these kind of scam companies.
By Rena Ripp posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 @ 1:48 PMI too was fooled last year, than as I was looking at the invoice closer I began to wonder. Looked at their website and realized I had never received any type of information back from them, which prompted me to ask my web designer...sure enough a scam. I agree why have they not been shut down yet. My invoice was for $85.00. There must be a way we can shut them down.
By Jim Schroeder posted on Thursday, December 19, 2013 @ 5:34 PMjust starting up my website that I got from godaddy last February, and I saw that I got hoodwinked by Web Listings, INC, too for $85 on June 11, 2013. I also saw that I got an e-mail from godaddy on June 10, 2013. So, somehow this scam got a hold of my e-mail from godaddy? What is godadyy's response if any?
By Perry posted on Wednesday, February 12, 2014 @ 4:55 AMI almost paid this BS. Thanks to everyone for posting your comments here. I sent Web Listing Inc the link to this thread and told them to what they could do with their scam.
By Louise McWilliams posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 @ 10:14 AMI also received an invoice for $85.00. When you go to the contact email address, it's a phony address.
By Kamaljit Kaur posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 @ 5:15 PMThank God I visited this website first before sending them the payment because I was almost about to. Just saved myself $85.
By Courtney posted on Tuesday, April 1, 2014 @ 12:18 AMI just recieved one of these letters/bills in the mail today. I knew something was wrong with it, cause the domain name it references was purchased in 10/2013, and there is just no possible way it is time to renew it yet. Thank you for the information that is indeed a scam. Now I'm angry. Isn't there any way we could, perhaps, file a class action lawsuit against them, or something? There has to be a way to put an end to this type of bs.
By John posted on Wednesday, April 2, 2014 @ 1:33 AMHey, at least you only HAD to pay $65.00 They want $85.00 now!
So what is it that Web Listing Inc is good at? Oh yeah, billing people! Great sell!
I guess they think Americans are as dumb as a box of rocks.
Maybe I should mail my BILL to the FBI? What do YOU think Web Listing Inc?
My hunch is that these SOB's are headquartered out of Canada and have a mail box at this old mall in Niagara Falls NY. Just a hunch.
By Randall Cole posted on Saturday, May 3, 2014 @ 7:29 PMRECEIVED SAME BILL BY ABOVE COMPANY WEB LISTINGS INC. FOR 85$ and 8 keywords 20 search engines MAY 16th 2014 , listing of slimpick121.com remit payment of 85$ dollars for up to MAY 16th 2015 ,
WEB LISTINGS INC
1623 MILITARY RD #926
NIAGARA FALLS , NY
reference number 29813192 sent APRIL 11 , 2014
By Doris Salter posted on Saturday, May 24, 2014 @ 2:39 AMThanks for you information! I just received a letter today, and freaked me out. I was trying to figure out when I got in touch with them. I first thought it was a bill until I turned it over and it said 'this is not a bill'. I just started my business, and I can't afford tricksters.